In the fourth and final installment of our visit with Angels of Liberty, we focus on the lyrical content, and the controversial subject matter therein in a far more specific manner. It really gives Voe an opportunity to enlighten us about some of his passions. To aid AoL in their seeming quest to spread this enlightenment, I have added a few links for reference, and for those curious minds who would like to delve further into these subjects. Having already read about many of these things myself, you will see why the band intrigues me so.
(Laurie) 7. You speak of things which go back literal millennia, such as the Brotherhood of the Snake. Being a writer of historical fiction, with regard to ancient aliens in Sumer and Egypt (and hopefully throughout all of history...as I fully intend to be the "Dan Brown" of Ancient Astronaut theories one day...hehe!), I can't help but wonder of the connection of Angels of Liberty, or any of its members to this or any of the other major "mystery schools". Am I being presumptuous once again?
Voe :
'So dark the con of man!' Rising organ music! lol
'So dark the con of man!' Rising organ music! lol
To the Mystery School question: Yes and no. I know the terminology because I have been involved with LHP magical school, but Knowledge, I found personally, had to come from within the self, so my path was inwards and away from schools. The trick is getting connected to what we are which is multi dimentional beings. I also like Robert Anton Wilsons take on The Illuminatii 'we are all secretly in it' . I loved 'Cosmic Trigger' and anything which overlaps with Timothy Leary and Terrence Mckenna. Mckenna really floats my boat, not just the intricately woven ideas about UFOs and mycelium but I could listen to his to his hip comical voice for hours.
Originally, the ancient mystery schools were feminine biased. I'm aware that it was a sisterhood of the snake as the root origin of the serpent cults and the female had the power. There;s a yearly religious procession somewhere i forget now but the males cut their genitals and bleed as they walk. That is an echo of this past. In fact if you go further back there is a whole issue with androgyny, as the base reptilian component in the creation of humans. It was an androgynous reptilian being that was split into two sexes to create the Adam man according to Stewart Swerdlow.
Before I totally wander off topic, at some point there was a takeover and everything became patriarchal with the priest/king system. The thing with the obelisks and the domes is interesting because of the Egyptian hieroglyph for Sirius. I love that because it hints to all sort of interesting things surrounding the founding fathers and the declaration of independence. I don't know if you are familiar with the story about the arrival of a mysterious stranger who helped the founding fathers agree? I know Anton LaVey thought the mysterious stranger who appeared in the gallery was the devil. I think it was a Sirian Reptilian. Different horses for courses, I guess!
I would recommend looking at....
The tau cross with a serpent hung on it, The Slaying of Apep, even Lovecrafts Cthulhu. Its always fish or sea monsters bringing destructive waves (negative emotions). Most initiatory stuff is about brain states, navigating/sailing consciousness. L Ron Hubbard obviously knew 'cos that's what Dianetics is mostly about: controlling the r-complex, nailing the fish to the tree. Hell he even loved sailing and being called captain, I'm sure that was an illuminist joke. There's a big nautical sailing theme embedded into the legal matrix too. It could be that the 'star sailors' came in solar boats bringing us language and law that for me would explain why its so embedded deeply in culture.
The Ubadian mother. Its known now in genetics we all have one common female ancestor back in ancient Africa. There is so much focus on Sumer because of the king list etc that African heritage has been stolen. What the Sumerian tablets talk about didn't happen there. The mystery religion did but the events took place in Africa on a high plateau overlooking a deep valley which at the time had a circuitry look from above due to the arrangement of vast patterns of stone buildings. Michael Tellinger has some good discoveries about that and matches what I've been able to remote view.
There's a big reptilian/snake theme in our past and in language itself. There's an interrelationship between knowledge, teachers and the snake/serpent which is coded into the very fabric of the language matrix. Even the word angel has a relationship to 'messenger' or 'to talk'. 'know the angels they were talkers, A universal code of symbols, a hidden truth, double meaning and they're a part of you and me' Kukulkan was about that. The serpentine connections in language to me is very exciting. Pierre Sabak's Murder of Reality is without doubt an amazing book on the subject.
(Laurie) 8. If the aforementioned are all just my own presumptions, based perhaps on my own readings and personal interpretations of things, are there then other particular writers, groups, or personal experiences that have influenced the content of your work?
Voe :
I was a book publisher for about 10 years that dealt in underground LHP and Occult material which really came out of my own personal interest and involvement in these subjects. As a result I had access to material that isn't in the public domain. Of public domain stuff : Michael Aquino's 'Black Magic in Theory and Practice' pointed me in the direction of the link between the inner and outer worlds. I loved John C Lilleys 'Programming the Human Biocomputer'. At the moment I'm really enjoying Solaris Blue Ravens 'Programmed by Deception', she does a really interesting interview shows and we did a theme tune for those. Shes also an author of many books herself. Shes had experiences in the MK tech milab area which I plan to base a track around in the future. I've just finished Stewart Swerdlow's 'Blue Blood True Blood' for the third time. If you are interested in the reptilian origins of language I would recommend Pierre Sabak's 'the Murder of Reality' as I mentioned.
I was a book publisher for about 10 years that dealt in underground LHP and Occult material which really came out of my own personal interest and involvement in these subjects. As a result I had access to material that isn't in the public domain. Of public domain stuff : Michael Aquino's 'Black Magic in Theory and Practice' pointed me in the direction of the link between the inner and outer worlds. I loved John C Lilleys 'Programming the Human Biocomputer'. At the moment I'm really enjoying Solaris Blue Ravens 'Programmed by Deception', she does a really interesting interview shows and we did a theme tune for those. Shes also an author of many books herself. Shes had experiences in the MK tech milab area which I plan to base a track around in the future. I've just finished Stewart Swerdlow's 'Blue Blood True Blood' for the third time. If you are interested in the reptilian origins of language I would recommend Pierre Sabak's 'the Murder of Reality' as I mentioned.
(Laurie) 9. I sense a "greater purpose" in the "grand design" of things, so to speak, within the work of Angels of Liberty. Am I simply a misguided fan, or is that the intent?
Voe :
We have a plan. When we completed Pinnacle I was planning to release it and then end AoL. Now we are a year away so much has happened i can see not only do we have somewhere to go and something to write about but there seems to be a strange symbiotic relationship between our work and the high strangeness. I totally dig having a cult status 'cos it seems we haven't disappointed the people we wanted to entertain and we aren't so bland it has wide appeal. You know that thing in Castadenas books about the brujo finding a sweet spot to sit in? I feel were in it where we are right now. What I'd say is if you like what we've done so far you'll enjoy the ride.
We have a plan. When we completed Pinnacle I was planning to release it and then end AoL. Now we are a year away so much has happened i can see not only do we have somewhere to go and something to write about but there seems to be a strange symbiotic relationship between our work and the high strangeness. I totally dig having a cult status 'cos it seems we haven't disappointed the people we wanted to entertain and we aren't so bland it has wide appeal. You know that thing in Castadenas books about the brujo finding a sweet spot to sit in? I feel were in it where we are right now. What I'd say is if you like what we've done so far you'll enjoy the ride.
Scarlet :
Neither of us is particularly 'rock n roll', neither of us is built for touring on the road. Both of us like people but at a safe distance where we can expect the best in them and avoid the worst of them up close. We also just want to make music. Apart from that we like our own private life too much, we don't even go out on the scene anymore. Apart from making music which is a wonderful channel of expression we like living our lives quietly without fuss or getting entangled in scene politics. Our main objective is to make records for people who enjoy them, who are free to enjoy them wherever they wish. We have no plans other than that for now.
Neither of us is particularly 'rock n roll', neither of us is built for touring on the road. Both of us like people but at a safe distance where we can expect the best in them and avoid the worst of them up close. We also just want to make music. Apart from that we like our own private life too much, we don't even go out on the scene anymore. Apart from making music which is a wonderful channel of expression we like living our lives quietly without fuss or getting entangled in scene politics. Our main objective is to make records for people who enjoy them, who are free to enjoy them wherever they wish. We have no plans other than that for now.
Voe :
We'll have to see what the reptilians want us to say! :D So i guess the progression will be a revealing of what they want me to say. Maybe they wont want me to say anything, we could always do blood red vinyl of 30 mins quiet silence? :D I was considering opening a little booth at goth events where interested parties could pay me to feel the alien implant in my ear. But its not hygienic and I don't like traveling. :D
We'll have to see what the reptilians want us to say! :D So i guess the progression will be a revealing of what they want me to say. Maybe they wont want me to say anything, we could always do blood red vinyl of 30 mins quiet silence? :D I was considering opening a little booth at goth events where interested parties could pay me to feel the alien implant in my ear. But its not hygienic and I don't like traveling. :D
(Laurie) 10. Of course, at its heart, yours seems a message of true liberation, in all things. These are the foundational tenets, are they not?
Voe :
The whole concept with our name Angels of Liberty was a play on light and dark, freedom & tyranny. With Angels of Liberty people can see what they want to see, its a mirror. You can see it as light or dark or you can transcend both. Its a choice based on perception which is the central node in any story or any reality.
The whole concept with our name Angels of Liberty was a play on light and dark, freedom & tyranny. With Angels of Liberty people can see what they want to see, its a mirror. You can see it as light or dark or you can transcend both. Its a choice based on perception which is the central node in any story or any reality.
It's also mystical tradition to explore things that are opposite to you to break the mechanical trance. I explored things in 2013 that were alien to my basic nature as a libertarian and as a result so far a very dark themed album with a message of hope and ancient currents of spirituality is emerging. For me everything can be distilled down into basic dual components of material experience and these contrasts form the basic playground of our reality which we come here to create and play with as spirit/energy.
(Laurie)11. Perhaps I read far too much into things, but as I have stated, I am a firm believer in the principles of synchronicity, and I can't help feeling I have been lead here by just such principles myself.
Voe :
I don't think you should ever doubt your first or gut feeling on anything. :) Following synchronicity and listening you your inner voice is a must for living these days. :)
I don't think you should ever doubt your first or gut feeling on anything. :) Following synchronicity and listening you your inner voice is a must for living these days. :)
(Laurie) 13. Thank you Voe and Scarlet, so kindly for entertaining my sometimes odd queries! I hope that I haven't overwhelmed, or overstepped any boundaries in so doing. I am a very curious person, and Angels of Liberty fascinates me. I literally had to stop myself with the questions. I truly appreciate your time in even considering answering the more "unusual" inquiries.
Voe :
I'm flattered we invite curiosity. As they say 'Hybrid star birds who are feathered flock together!'. Thank you for going where most media fear to tread! :)
I'm flattered we invite curiosity. As they say 'Hybrid star birds who are feathered flock together!'. Thank you for going where most media fear to tread! :)
Scarlet :
Thank you, the pleasure has been ours. We both wish you every success with both your journalism and your future Novels. :)
Thank you, the pleasure has been ours. We both wish you every success with both your journalism and your future Novels. :)
(Laurie) My best wishes go to Angels of Liberty; in the spreading of their music, the instilling of a true Goth Culture (with a capital "G"), and in the general enlightenment they bring to all who hear, and chose to listen to their message.
I think it only fitting to close this interview with what is probably my all time favorite Angels of Liberty song, "Kulkulkan"...
Image Credit : Courtesy of Angels of Liberty.
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